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| Kimberly_MSN | hello! |
| TAG | Hello ! |
| Xepo | MSN got any opportunities for linux advocates? =P |
| wuyatsing | more and more people here |
| gdiego | Hello! |
| nicka81 | TAG: hi ;-) |
| mbnd96 | zoidal_MSN: oh, funny...it's really MaryBeth Notre Dame 96 |
| TAG | nicka81: ;-) |
| Gaisan | T |
| mbnd96 | zoidal_MSN: :) |
| kittlek | john...figured it out :) |
| revtekniques | kittlek: nice |
| zoidal_MSN | mbnd96: Ah yes. I did remember you went to school in my home town. |
| hilfiger_MSN | hello everyone |
| Gaisan | Hello! |
| CoolNumberPi | is MSN also based in Redmond? |
| Xepo | that was an actual question, btw, I wasn't trying to troll |
| zoidal_MSN | CoolNumberPi: Yes, it is |
| Kimberly_MSN | yes...it is Redmond based but that is not our only location |
| revtekniques | CoolNumberPi: MSN also have a branch in northern california |
| zoidal_MSN | Xepo: Linux advocates can still be good coders... |
| Kimberly_MSN | we also have a San Jose location and of course the global locations |
| pazevedo | What are the minimal/desired requirements MSN is looking for? |
| nicka81 | Kimberly_MSN: do you have locations in Europe? |
| Kimberly_MSN | several! :) |
| kittlek | hey co |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: are you guys hiring international candidates? or just looking for US ones |
| Ryan | gladius_MSN: hey! How's it going? |
| kittlek | hey coolnumberpi...katie here |
| hilfiger_MSN | um, you can code well, work well with other people |
| CoolNumberPi | kittlek: hey! |
| if11026 | Hmm..have you met Bill Gates ? |
| Kimberly_MSN | we are hiring both international and US |
| hilfiger_MSN | gladius_MSN: yo |
| gladius_MSN | Ryan: hi, good :) |
| theGreatest | admins: do u consider indians for the jobs ? |
| gladius_MSN | Ryan: and yourself? |
| Xepo | zoidal_MSN: yea, I know. I've heard that microsoft is doing more and more research into linux solutions and how to use them. I was curious if MSN is hiring for that type of work? |
| radius2 | Kim |
| hilfiger_MSN | gladius_MSN: is your officemate participating this srm |
| zoidal_MSN | pazevedo: I'm sure and HR rep can answer more accurately, but as a developer, I look for someone with a strong desire and ability to write good code and work with smart people |
| Kimberly_MSN | LOL..no, I have not met Bill G...but I have heard him speak |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: International = H1B or others offices ? |
| gladius_MSN | hilfiger_MSN: heh, we shall see |
| wuyatsing | i can't follow your speed.... |
| hilfiger_MSN | if11026: you will get to meet BillG if you intern here |
| radius2 | Kimberly_MSN: Do you also have offices in Germany? |
| wuyatsing | it keeps scrolling all the time |
| Kimberly_MSN | yes...true...interns meet Bill Gates! |
| if11026 | Interns ? |
| shalinmangar | Kimberly_MSN: does MSN have an India office ? |
| Kimberly_MSN | Tag...repeat your questions? |
| Kimberly_MSN | yes, we do have an India location |
| pazevedo | How does MSN deal with relocation? |
| wuyatsing | and what about in China? |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: Do you hire for H1B ? Do you hire for offices outside of Redmond ? |
| hilfiger_MSN | if11026: it's briefly translated to temporary job for 3,4 months |
| shalinmangar | Kimberly_MSN: so is MSN considering people for its India office ? |
| Kimberly_MSN | after 2.5 years, you are eligible to apply for a US position from india |
| zoidal_MSN | pazevedo: Microsoft as a company generally pays for relocation, so of course that includes MSN |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | any oppertunites for pakis in MSN |
| hilfiger_MSN | TAG: yes we do have offices outside redmond |
| TAG | hilfiger_MSN: what offices ? |
| hilfiger_MSN | TAG: and we do sponsor H1B |
| Kimberly_MSN | there are some visa shortages currently, but i understand that may change |
| hilfiger_MSN | TAG: well, in downtown Seattle for instance :p |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: what type of technologies are you guys working with? |
| shalinmangar | Kimberly_MSN: what about internships for the India office ? |
| Kimberly_MSN | we are looking for strong coders |
| TAG | hilfiger_MSN: ;-) |
| Kimberly_MSN | C#, .Net. SQL |
| Kimberly_MSN | C++ |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: Lifting 90lbs servers ? |
| Kimberly_MSN | sure! |
| Kimberly_MSN | carrying my laptop bag... |
| hilfiger_MSN | TAG: that's weak man |
| moh_taha_eg | writer: r we allowed to know who r u ?? |
| zoidal_MSN | revtekniques: I personally work almost exclusively with C++, but many server teams use C#, ASP.Net, etc. |
| hilfiger_MSN | zoidal_MSN: i don't even know C++! |
| zoidal_MSN | revtekniques: Our test team writes a lot of our automation in .Net |
| Kimberly_MSN | lol |
| supernegro | lol |
| hilfiger_MSN | zoidal_MSN: so people with no C++ backgroud - dont worry |
| CoolNumberPi | MSN: Is there a lot of pressure at work? What is the asmosphere like? |
| CoolNumberPi | MSN: atmosphere |
| Kimberly_MSN | point is there are a variety of skills we look for |
| shalinmangar | Kimberly_MSN: I asked about internships for the India office ? Can you please tell something about that ? |
| nicka81 | zoidal_MSN: do you have a flexible working hours ? ;-) |
| neaorin | zoidal_MSN: i still see a lot of C/C++ offerings from you guys, way more than C# for that matter |
| Kimberly_MSN | i think most people enjoy working here |
| writer | moh_taha_eg: hmmm... I don't know, probably yes, but I prefer to tell after the match... ask me again then :) |
| dmh2000 | in the old days the big thing was stock options but relatively lower pay. has that changed? |
| if11026 | How many hours do you spent for working ? |
| Abednego | Do you have research positions for people with graduate degrees in CS? |
| Kimberly_MSN | sorta like a start up but with $$ |
| hilfiger_MSN | nicka81: we do |
| zoidal_MSN | nicka81: Yes, I do. My wife and I (both work for MSN) generally stick to roughly 9-5, but we've done some crazy hours before |
| athenachu71 | Can I apply for an internship in MSN in next summer 2006? |
| nicka81 | thanks |
| Kimberly_MSN | shalimangar...i am not sure about internships in India |
| zoidal_MSN | nicka81: Like noon-8, or 7-3, etc. We even both work from home 1 day a week |
| naguib | moh_taha_eg: ya rab ykon wa7ed men bto3 2el DP :D |
| hilfiger_MSN | athenachu71: absolutely |
| Kimberly_MSN | most interns start in Redmond |
| wuyatsing | will you consider an IT manager from another industry? |
| shalinmangar | Kimberly_MSN: so whats the procedure to apply for internships in redmond ? |
| Kawigi_MSO | Present! |
| gladius_MSN | and accounted for |
| TAG | shalinmangar: www.microsoft.com/college |
| if11026 | Is there any programmer from Indonesia ? :D |
| revtekniques | what is live.com |
| Kimberly_MSN | For internships...apply thru college |
| Jasko | Kawigi_MSO: what is MSO?;) |
| shalinmangar | TAG: thanks |
| Kawigi_MSO | Jasko: Microsoft Office :-) |
| hilfiger_MSN | live.com, or Windows Live, is one of MS latest product lines |
| Jasko | Kawigi_MSO: :) |
| roy1 | Is msn,India in hyderabad? |
| zoidal_MSN | roy1: I believe so. |
| hilfiger_MSN | Kawigi_MSO: dude, MSO is the black sheep |
| Kimberly_MSN | Windows Live rocks! |
| zoidal_MSN | roy1: One of our developers spent a month over there working with them, a while back. |
| Kawigi_MSO | hilfiger_MSN: Yeah, lesser-known app. |
| lazy2fastcoder | are there ay oppurtunities for people working with Java background |
| athenachu71 | Kimberly_MSN: I'm studying in the uk and didnt see any sign for the internship at my university. |
| revtekniques | do you guys have a problem with hiring H1B Candidates? |
| TAG | Kawigi_MSO: wow .. corporate wars ... can you keep them in-house ? |
| zoidal_MSN | revtekniques: Many of our employees are H1B |
| if11026 | How about vacation from working ? |
| Kawigi_MSO | TAG: I think we'll manage ;-) |
| supernegro | re there any internship positions with MSN using asp.net or c#? |
| Kawigi_MSO | TAG: that SQL team, though... |
| gdiego | will you destroy google :D ? |
| revtekniques | so you guys wouldnthave a problem sponsoring H1Bs? |
| TAG | zoidal_MSN: Do you have blanket petitions or next possible date is 1 Oct 2006 ? |
| hilfiger_MSN | gdiego: matter of time :-) |
| zoidal_MSN | if11026: To start, employees get 2 weeks per year, and work up to 5 weeks per year after (14, I think) years of serice |
| supernegro | are* |
| hilfiger_MSN | zoidal_MSN: i think it's 3 weeks per year |
| zoidal_MSN | TAG: I'm not an expert on H1B, Kimberly_MSN can answer better |
| gladius_MSN | if11026: you also get 5 days any time off + the 2 weeks |
| hilfiger_MSN | zoidal_MSN: and then one extra week after every 3 years |
| lazy2fastcoder | are there any oppurtunities for people working with Java background |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: Do you have blanket petitions or next possible date is 1 Oct 2006 ? |
| Kimberly_MSN | there is a shortage on H1s currently..however, |
| zoidal_MSN | hilfiger_MSN: It is for us, but then they changed it recently. New hires now only get 2. |
| hilfiger_MSN | zoidal_MSN: and 10 sick days (which i took one yesterday) |
| Kimberly_MSN | we may have other options |
| hilfiger_MSN | zoidal_MSN: ah so i see |
| omniscientone | Is C or C++ more preferred as a programming language ? |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: what other options? |
| supernegro | are there any internship positions with MSN using asp.net or c#? |
| omniscientone | and what about Java ? |
| zoidal_MSN | omniscientone: I don't know of any teams that still use C. |
| Kimberly_MSN | each individual situation is unique so i can't answer specific visa questions |
| Kimberly_MSN | more general visa questions |
| zoidal_MSN | omniscientone: Nor Java :) |
| omniscientone | zoidal_MSN : thanks |
| vfortuna | Kimberly_MSN: I have just been interviewed for a full-time position at the Real time collaboration and communication group at Microsoft and I would like to know if I can apply concurrently to MSN positions |
| Kawigi_MSO | lazy2fastcoder: Well, There's probably not many jobs that involve Java, but I don't think knowing Java is a minus (zoidal, hilfiger and I all have used it here) |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: how many open positions is MSN trying to fll? |
| if11026 | Do you have your office's picture ? |
| roy1 | what is the difference between msn and microsoft? |
| zoidal_MSN | lazy2fastcoder: I agree with Kawigi... I learned Java as my first language, and have never competed here in any other language. |
| Kimberly_MSN | as long as you haven't started at REal Time you can still apply for MSN |
| Kawigi_MSO | roy1: MSN is a division of Microsoft |
| roy1 | and what exactly it deals with? |
| Kimberly_MSN | MSN is trying to hire 1500 employees currently |
| hilfiger_MSN | if11026: i do, but sadly i'm in a hotel right now so i cant find one |
| Kimberly_MSN | for FY06 |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: wow! |
| Kimberly_MSN | :) |
| nicka81 | Kimberly_MSN: why do you need so many employees? |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | wat if some start with C++ and turs to VC# |
| if11026 | :( |
| Kawigi_MSO | roy1: any of the online services at http://www.msn.com/, as well as the upcoming http://www.live.com (hilfiger can probably say more) |
| zoidal_MSN | s-h-o-a-i-b: What do you mean? |
| Kimberly_MSN | my partner, Laura_MSN is having log in difficulties :( |
| hilfiger_MSN | nicka81: MS is hiring 11000 |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: and thats just between the redmond offive and the SVC office? |
| Kimberly_MSN | we are GROWING! |
| nicka81 | Kimberly_MSN: IMHO more than a half of all rated TC members |
| Jasko | ok:) |
| Abednego | Who are MSN's main competitors? |
| pazevedo | You could hire everyone at this competition and wouldn't even reach half of what you need. '_' |
| hilfiger_MSN | nicka81: well, 1500 is all positions, not just SDEs |
| Kimberly_MSN | all of this tracks to our WindowsLIVE push |
| TAG | hilfiger_MSN: Take all with 1500+ ;-) |
| wuyatsing | Kimberly_MSN: will you consider IT manager from another industry? |
| Kimberly_MSN | that number is for global...most are domestic roles |
| zoidal_MSN | TAG: You should realize that not all 1500+ coders would make good software developers |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | i mean is it good to stick to C++ or to move to C#.net |
| lazy2fastcoder | Kawigi_MSO: Oh, I am comfortable with other languages as well, but primarily working in Java. Is it possible to get employment options with MSN then, if I do not mind switching the technology from Java to Dotnet |
| Kimberly_MSN | My email address is: kussher@microsoft.com for any employment questions |
| gdiego | TAG: ohh , and now I have less than 1500 :( |
| vfortuna | Kimberly_MSN: Once we are inside MS, can we move to other groups or products? |
| zoidal_MSN | s-h-o-a-i-b: It's best to know both, of course :). If I had to pick one to stick with, I would pick C++. |
| gladius_MSN | s-h-o-a-i-b: that's a tough call. both would be best :) |
| Kawigi_MSO | lazy2fastcoder: I think so. That's what I did for my internship :-) (learned C# in my first couple days) |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | can u tell me y u would like to stick to C++ |
| Kimberly_MSN | Laura's IM is: lauraboholand@hotmail.com |
| zoidal_MSN | gdiego: Not to worry... You're still pretty highly rated :) |
| dropout | i plan to win my room |
| Kimberly_MSN | that's laura's MSN as well |
| Minilek | A friend of mine who interned at Microsoft this summer told me that interns were told not to play TopCoder. Do you know if this will be a rule for interns from now on -- no TopCoder? |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: Is there any period people must wait since last interview at MS? I was interviewed for DevDiv in Jan this year and was weak |
| hilfiger_MSN | vfortuna: yes, you can move around |
| gdiego | zoidal_MSN: then take me for msn :D |
| zoidal_MSN | s-h-o-a-i-b: .Net is still in its infancy - it has perf issues, among other issues. Most client teams do not use .Net at Microsoft |
| Xiph | What TC rating range are you looking to hire from? |
| dropout | i have followed the tomek strategy |
| Kimberly_MSN | No waiting period between applying |
| dropout | go down as low as possible |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | but now it has evolved to .net2005 |
| hilfiger_MSN | TAG: i think they say 1 year, but it's not stricly 1 year. |
| zoidal_MSN | Xiph: Rating is not the sole factor we look at. |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | is it still in infancy? |
| vfortuna | hilfiger_MSN: How many work hours a week do you have there? |
| lazy2fastcoder | Kawigi_MSO: I am currently located in India, are there options available there or is msn ready to sponsor VISA is the work location is US |
| zoidal_MSN | s-h-o-a-i-b: Compared to C and C++, yes |
| hilfiger_MSN | vfortuna: it is normally up to you |
| Kawigi_MSO | Minilek: Hmmm, That sounds strange, I've done all kinds of TC since working for Microsoft (although when I was an intern, I hadn't done it yet) |
| Xiph | zoidal_MSN: what other factors? which are most important? ;) |
| hilfiger_MSN | vfortuna: so long as you finish your work |
| Kimberly_MSN | works hours vary....i would say its not a 40hr a week on average but its reasonable |
| Kawigi_MSO | lazy2fastcoder: From my experience, they are usually ok with that, as long as you're worth having ;-) |
| pazevedo | Does MSN supply towels in the gym? |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | wat would u suggest i just started my oop in C++ |
| CoolNumberPi | MSN: Do you think that a potential hire NEEDS a degree in Computer Science? I will have a degree in Mathematics next year, but would be interested in software development. |
| athenachu71 | Kawigi_MSO: are you from Japan? |
| Minilek | Kawigi_MSO: Yes I found it weird as well, since I knew of fulltimers (like you :)) who play. |
| TAG | hilfiger_MSN: yea .. 1 year is something that I've head too |
| zoidal_MSN | Xiph: Well, your resume would play a part, and of course the biggest factor is how well you do in an interview loop, if you get invited to come out. |
| gladius_MSN | CoolNumberPi: no, a degree in CS is definitely not neccesary |
| lazy2fastcoder | Kawigi_MSO: I agree to that :) |
| Kawigi_MSO | athenachu71: no, I'm American |
| Kimberly_MSN | we prefer a CS degree, but that's NOT a requirement |
| gladius_MSN | CoolNumberPi: a few of my coworkers hold math degrees |
| zoidal_MSN | CoolNumberPi: I know several good developers without degrees in CS, or without degrees at all. |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | nothing knowing much abt APIs but as far as development time is concerned its much faster in C#.net |
| hilfiger_MSN | s-h-o-a-i-b: languages do not matter. really. I before coded in Java, and have no knowledge of C++. |
| Kawigi_MSO | Minilek: Perhaps he had a lead or mentor who felt like he spent too much time doing it? |
| hilfiger_MSN | s-h-o-a-i-b: I only switched to C# since last year |
| zoidal_MSN | Bah. Time to feed the whiny cats. Back in a few :) |
| Kimberly_MSN | I am NOT a coder to be clear! :) |
| Kimberly_MSN | my cats are whining too...LOL |
| ravi_kiran | hi all |
| dmh2000 | C# and Java are pretty interchangeable as languages. the libraries are significantly different |
| Minilek | Kawigi_MSO: No. He said the interns mailing list received a blanket email saying no TopCoder. He had never done TopCoder ever before, so it wasn't that it was taking too much of his time. |
| athenachu71 | Kawigi_MSO: I'm studying in the uk, not us, is it possible for me to earn an internship in MSN next summer? |
| Kawigi_MSO | My baby isn't currently whining |
| revtekniques | if you are interested in being considered for MSN... |
| revtekniques | do so here... http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=contracting&d2=msn |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | i just really wanna know abt the limitations i wanna b sure that language limitations wont stop me from any solution |
| ravi_kiran | I know languages dont matter to most top companies but i want to make sure |
| Kawigi_MSO | Minilek: Bizarre. Of course, I didn't subscribe to that mailing list when I was an intern ;-) |
| gladius_MSN | Minilek: hm... I interned last summer/the summer before and competed in topcoder both summers. no problems :) |
| Kimberly_MSN | athenachu71...you can apply for an internship in Redmond |
| zoidal_MSN | I'm back |
| Minilek | gladius_MSN: Summer 2005? |
| Kawigi_MSO | athenachu71: I see Kimberly got you ;-) |
| gladius_MSN | Minilek: sorry, summer 2003/2004 |
| dmh2000 | whats the approx age of the oldest MSN developer you can think of? |
| ravi_kiran | if MSN requires C++/C# as i am proficient in JAVA and C when compared to the other two, please confirm if u need someone with C++/C# background |
| Kawigi_MSO | gladius_MSN: Lol, you would have been hot of the presses! |
| Minilek | gladius_MSN: He interned 2004/2005 and told me about this no topcoder thing this past summer (2005) |
| athenachu71 | Kimberly_MSN: so you mean it's not a MSN position? |
| zoidal_MSN | dmh2000: I know of one dev who has been with MS for 18 years, and was in the Navy before - he's probably 55 |
| gdiego | revtekniques: I did, and msn didnt take me :( ;) |
| Kimberly_MSN | dmh2000...we have ALL ages...people in their 50s work at MSN |
| zoidal_MSN | dmh2000: And another who looks like he could be 70 :) |
| revtekniques | gdiego: what happened? |
| dmh2000 | zoidal_MSN: sweet, thx |
| gdiego | revtekniques: lol , Im kidding |
| Kimberly_MSN | athenachu71...we hire interns regularly |
| Kawigi_MSO | ravi_kiran: If you're good, you can learn C++/C# (I learned C# when I got to my internship in 2003, with a background in Java) |
| revtekniques | gdiego: :) |
| Minilek | gladius_MSN: I don't know, maybe I misinterpreted something. I'll just ask him again. |
| gladius_MSN | Minilek: well, I'm not sure to be honest. okay :) |
| TAG | Kawigi_MSO: What roles MSN have ? Are they same as other MS or something unique ? |
| zoidal_MSN | TAG: Roles as in Developer, Tester, Program Manager? They're the same |
| ravi_kiran | Kawigi_MSO: so, should i apply through topcoder or should i mail my resume to one of you? |
| hilfiger_MSN | ravi_kiran: i only knew Java when i joined. Well, i did a little of C# before that, but not a lot |
| Kawigi_MSO | TAG: Yep, it's run pretty much the same way, except with a tighter development cycle |
| Kimberly_MSN | we have devs, deve engineers in test, PMs...etc |
| wliu | Is MSN using cluster? windows based or linux based? |
| thesilentkiller | linux based? :-? |
| Kimberly_MSN | our devs in test roles are very interesting positions2005-11-19 11:23:52.022 zoidal_MSN wliu: What do you mean by cluster? |
| lazy2fastcoder | Kawigi_MSO: so how do I apply for msn |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: What about IT / Operations ? |
| shailesh41 | Hi all MSN folks. U have any centers in India? |
| vfortuna | hilfiger_MSN: Can I take any advantage of my interview in my application for MSN? I mean Microsoft knows me better now, but I don't know if this information is shared among the different groups. And if you are good, it's an advantage to be known in such |
| lazy2fastcoder | Kawigi_MSO: I mean msn india |
| Kawigi_MSO | ravi_kiran: through topcoder, or maybe Kimberly can take it, ask her |
| dmh2000 | zoidal_MSN: does having an MCSD and MCSD.NET mean anything? |
| hilfiger_MSN | wliu: windows based or linux based? it's windows i suppose :-) |
| Kimberly_MSN | TAG..we are growing so NEED IT/Ops folks big time |
| zoidal_MSN | dmh2000: Most developers don't have one :) |
| Kimberly_MSN | think about the type of growth we are doing and the needs its creates enterprisewide |
| dotjava | do u take freshers?? |
| Kawigi_MSO | Kimberly_MSN: lazy2fastcoder asks "how do I apply for msn india" |
| zoidal_MSN | dmh2000: I personally probably wouldn't give you any special favor for it if I interviewed you |
| hilfiger_MSN | vfortuna: could you rephrase your question |
| Kimberly_MSN | Kawigi_MSO...apply for the international positions on the MS careers site |
| zoidal_MSN | dmh2000: But the fact that you have it most likely means that you have some skill(s) that others don't |
| dotjava | if yes then how?? |
| lazy2fastcoder | Kimberly_MSN: how do I apply for msn india" |
| vfortuna | hilfiger_MSN: I mean, does MSN uses the information from a candidate's previous interviews even if it's for a different group? |
| hilfiger_MSN | vfortuna: i'm not sure about that. but i doubt that |
| thesilentkiller | would you know anything about microsoft's RFID team? how active are they at hiring? |
| s-h-o-a-i-b | hilfiger_MSN: r u still student n working in microsoft too |
| Cyberpunk1024 | what is MSN looking for primarily in the applicants? |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: What do you mean by that? In a normal interiew loop, you'll have several interviewers. Do you mean, are those results shared among each other that day, or do you mean "if I come in for a 2nd loop, do people know the results of my 1st?" |
| Kimberly_MSN | fantastic! |
| Kimberly_MSN | guys...i'm new to this...i don't know how to use the "whisper" feature |
| Kawigi_MSO | zoidal_MSN: I think he means that he's interviewed for Microsoft in the past |
| supernegro | Kimberly_MSN: is msn's biggest threat google? |
| zoidal_MSN | Kimberly_MSN: Use /msg <name> message |
| dotjava | :) |
| hilgart | is MSN repsonsible for the 'Live' version of Office? |
| thesilentkiller | Kimberly_MSN: would you know anything about microsoft's RFID team? how active are they at hiring? |
| hilfiger_MSN | s-h-o-a-i-b: no, i'm fulltime. i finished school already |
| Kawigi_MSO | Kimberly_MSN: Or click on the >> on the left, for more options |
| pazevedo | Could i maybe sugest you guys take questions privately and answer them then in the channel, to the benifit of all? |
| Kimberly_MSN | thanks! |
| hilfiger_MSN | zoidal_MSN: i think he meant the latter |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: There have been several people on my immediate team who interviewed once, failed, came back, failed again, came back a third (or fourth, etc) time, and finally got in. |
| lazy2fastcoder | Kimberly_MSN: how do I specifically apply for msn india |
| dotjava | and do u take freshers?? |
| supernegro | Kimberly_MSN: is MSN biggest threat google at this point in time? |
| nothing_ | TAG: dasdasdasd |
| Kimberly_MSN | apply india via the Microsoft careers site...select International jobs |
| CoolNumberPi | MSN: are you switching to live.com to integrate MSN and xbox live? |
| hilgart | zoidal_MSN: did they try about once a year? |
| Kawigi_MSO | dotjava: yep |
| dotjava | how do u do that?? |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: I would go as far as to say that if you do badly on a loop, it's not held against you next time, but if you do especially well, you might be more likely to succeed the 2nd time. |
| zoidal_MSN | hilgart: Yes, I think the minimum waiting period is 6 months. Kimberly_MSN can confirm that. |
| Kawigi_MSO | CoolNumberPi: not specifically, but I'd be lying if I said MSN doesn't already have something to do with XBox Live |
| wliu | I'm writing a perabyte leve file system similiar to google file system at home , having some advantage over it. |
| Cyberpunk1024 | what is MSN looking for primarily in the applicants? |
| RedSpikeyThing | are there many Microsoft internship oppurtunities in Canada? |
| nothing_ | wat kind of work does Btech people get in Microsoft research |
| zoidal_MSN | Cyberpunk1024: Strong coding skills and ability to work well in a team are what I look for when I interview |
| ravi_kiran | Kimberly do we send our resume to you or you want us to apply through topcoder? |
| dotjava | I mean through campus interviews or through specific applications?? |
| hilfiger_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: i know a few people from CAN interned in US. I guess that's how it works |
| hilfiger_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: you intern at the headquarter |
| RedSpikeyThing | ok thx |
| nothing_ | wat kind of work does Btech people get in Microsoft research?? |
| Cyberpunk1024 | zoidal_MSN: what would you look for in the resumes we submit and in our tc rankings to get the interviews? |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: Are you limited on your interview site locations ? I.e. it will be Redmond or also somethere in Europe ? |
| vfortuna | zoidal_MSN: Ok, I understood |
| Cosmin.ro | zoidal_MSN: what tc_rating == good coding skills? what do you think do they corelate? |
| zoidal_MSN | Cosmin.ro: I don't think they correlate directly. I had a brilliant coding friend in college who never made it out of green. |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: is there any way to do an inernship in Canada? |
| vfortuna | zoidal_MSN: Will msn consider TopCoder ratings? |
| Cosmin.ro | zoidal_MSN: yeah but a red ussualy gets the job rigth? |
| zoidal_MSN | Cyberpunk1024: What, are you asking me what to put on your resume to get it to the top of the pile? :) |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: the main MS site is in Toronto, but it is mostly marketing/sales |
| Cosmin.ro | zoidal_MSN: I mean green doesn't mean you |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: what about coding opportunities? |
| Cosmin.ro | zoidal_MSN: you're weak |
| Kawigi_MSO | Cosmin.ro: My opinion is that a Red will usually do really well in the interview, and a Red that they have an easy time getting along with is very likely to get an offer |
| hilfiger_MSN | Cosmin.ro: it also depends how well the person would work with the group |
| esus | Don't you typically start as a tester @ Microsoft? |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: i worked in redmond for both of my internships |
| Cosmin.ro | zoidal_MSN: but red means you're string |
| zoidal_MSN | Cosmin.ro: The only correlation I would make is that statistically, a red is more likely to get a job than a yellow. But I'm 100% certain there are reds who just wouldn't make good developers |
| Kawigi_MSO | Cosmin.ro: (still, I know a red who wasn't hired at least once) |
| zoidal_MSN | Cosmin.ro: And even gray people who would make decent developers |
| Kimberly_MSN | as far as interviews, i interview predominantly in Redmond, but we have an international staffing team now |
| christie | go gray! |
| TAG | esus: it's common misunderstanding .. testers != low skilled developers |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: how competative are the internships? |
| Cyberpunk1024 | zoidal_MSN: not really but because it is hard to see coding skills on a resume so I was wondering what you look for |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: how many resumes do you guys get in a month? |
| zoidal_MSN | Cyberpunk1024: I wish I could answer more helpfully - I don't screen resumes, maybe Kimberly_MSN can help here? |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: competitive? well, the program itself is great, you hang out with the other interns a lot and I personally had a great time |
| Kimberly_MSN | TAG....at MS...our deverlops do testing...not even close to "low skill" |
| Kawigi_MSO | esus: Yep, testers = someone with some development background and a different skill set :-) |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: would it better for interested topcoder members to apply on the MSN site themselves? or go through topcoder? |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: do you mean how tough is the hiring process? in that case, I'm not really sure. best way to find out is submit your resume :) |
| Kimberly_MSN | oh my gosh...on average, Microsoft as a whole receives 36,000 |
| hilfiger_MSN | revtekniques: i remember reading somewhere on the internet that MS receive 50000/day. not sure how reliable the data though |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: sounds good |
| Kimberly_MSN | You can apply through either method...via TC or the MS careers site |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: any suggestions for things to put on the resume? |
| Gaisan | I want to get job in TopCoder!!!! How can I do it? |
| dmh2000 | revtekniques: go thru tc. then you have an advocate on your side |
| Kimberly_MSN | since we met you via TC, this would be the best venue |
| Kimberly_MSN | red |
| Kimberly_MSN | redspikeeything...just youre education and work history |
| xdragon | is MSN on windows or Unix? |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: I put a lot of side things that I had done. Personal projects, Classes I did well in, Topcoder (of course :), ACM, that kind of thing |
| Kimberly_MSN | SQL |
| athenachu71 | Kawigi_MSO: do you know how many internship positions in Readmond per year? |
| dmh2000 | Gaisan: TC has some openings listed for TC on the emp page |
| wliu | Does MSN have office in Silicon Valley? |
| Kawigi_MSO | athenachu71: I believe it's a bit over 1000 |
| zoidal_MSN | wliu: Yes. |
| Kimberly_MSN | athenachu71...since i am in the experienced hires area...i cant give you a specific #, but we do have an allocated annual amount |
| gdiego | Kimberly_MSN: I already applied, if nobody sends me anything in X days then I will know I'm not good :P? (X==???) |
| athenachu71 | Kawigi_MSO: oh, that's a huge number |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: is acm a really strong point? |
| Kawigi_MSO | athenachu71: perks include a barbeque in Bill Gates' backyard :-) |
| wliu | which city? |
| pazevedo | eheh |
| Kawigi_MSO | RedSpikeyThing: I think all 4 of us did ACM before starting at Microsoft ;-) |
| pazevedo | Does Bill cook? |
| athenachu71 | Kawigi_MSO: it sounds great |
| Kawigi_MSO | pazevedo: nope |
| zoidal_MSN | pazevedo: Lol no. It's all catered |
| Kimberly_MSN | gdiego...no...not true...while we all try to respond immediately, some resumes may be missed |
| hilfiger_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: it's a plust if you do well enough |
| zoidal_MSN | pazevedo: Gotta have some way to spend all our profit s:) |
| pazevedo | zoidal_MSN: Good! ^_^ |
| revtekniques | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=contracting&d2=msn to apply |
| if11026 | Do the software engineer well paid ? |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: ACM is great practice for the type of thinking you will be doing at Microsoft in my opinion. Perhaps not the style of coding, but the problems map well |
| zoidal_MSN | if11026: I feel well paid at Microsoft |
| Kawigi_MSO | if11026: yes :-) |
| Kimberly_MSN | i |
| athenachu71 | Kawigi_MSO: is there any MSN position for internship in Redmond next summer? |
| hilfiger_MSN | whee |
| Kawigi_MSO | athenachu71: of course :-D |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: Of course TopCoder is amazing practice as well. The more the merrier :) |
| Ragnarok | Are you interested in a developer not from USA? |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: thats kind of what I have been shooting for. |
| if11026 | How does the interview look like ? |
| hilfiger_MSN | athenachu71: there are quite a few actually. In fact, most of the time there will be open positions |
| revtekniques | Kimberly_MSN: if someone was to graduate in June of 06...would it bea good idea to start applying now? |
| wliu | Is there cluster level or kernel level job openning in MSN? |
| Kimberly_MSN | interviewing is an interesting day. it is usally for several hours |
| titid_gede | hello bang samuel |
| Kimberly_MSN | for meeting with the staffing consultant like myself or Laura |
| zoidal_MSN | if11026: It all depends - a lot of developer interviewers ask questions which are roughly on par with a div 1 250 or 500 point problem. |
| thesilentkiller | would you know anything about microsoft's RFID team? how active are they at hiring? |
| if11026 | Several hours?!?!?! |
| Kimberly_MSN | revtekniques..you should sync up with the campus recruiters |
| hilfiger_MSN | if11026: yes. |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: Hey, I see you are at Queen's U! Just graduated from there :) Were you on the ACM team last year? |
| zoidal_MSN | if11026: But you might get asked something which is highly conceptual and not get to code it at all in the interview |
| Kawigi_MSO | if11026: With several people and breaks in between ;-) |
| hilfiger_MSN | if11026: you interview with 2 groups |
| Kimberly_MSN | if11026...dont want to scare you! :) |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: Are you interested in a developer not from USA? |
| hilfiger_MSN | if11026: each person takes about 1 hour |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: this year actually....I think Chris was talking about you this year. |
| Kimberly_MSN | ragnarok...yes |
| Kawigi_MSO | Ragnarok: If they're good, it doesn't matter where they're from :-) |
| if11026 | So my English have to be so good when I take the interview :D ? |
| Kimberly_MSN | each interviewer has an hour including the HR piece...we do also take you to lunch typically |
| Kawigi_MSO | Ragnarok: (If you're interested, I recommend applying, you probably have good chances) |
| athenachu71 | hilfiger_MSN: I just applied a MSN position, is it the same as an internship? |
| Ankur_Sri | how will one can give interview if he is not in USA |
| hilfiger_MSN | if11026: well, so long as you can communicate well with the interviewers |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: I've already applied :0 |
| Kimberly_MSN | you do not HAVE to be in the US to get hired |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: :) |
| zoidal_MSN | if11026: It certainly helps :). But I've interviewed people who I had to ask to repeat themselves several times before I understood what they were saying |
| zoidal_MSN | if11026: And they were quality coders |
| athenachu71 | hilfiger_MSN: do I need to apply seperately? |
| revtekniques | athenachu71: if you applied throuogh the topcoder - MSN link... you will be covoered... |
| Kimberly_MSN | we pay for the trip and hotel expenses for your interview |
| rambo6376 | i've joined in late here - any one wanna clue me in as to where i can find listings for job openings? |
| revtekniques | athenachu71: we will contact you and figure out what it is that you are looking for |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: Will you have interviews somethere in Europe ? |
| Tseng | How much creativity does a new hiree get to excercise? Would I feel like a developer, or a code monkey? |
| Kimberly_MSN | tag...what country are you in? |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: Ukraine |
| if11026 | Is there any fun places in Microsoft I mean for refreshing or something |
| Kimberly_MSN | fantastic! we are planning a career fair there actually |
| zoidal_MSN | Tseng: That really depends on the grou pand your experience level. If you are capable of being a creative developer, you probably wil be |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: where can I read about the project, for which you're hiring people? Or there is more than one such project? |
| Kawigi_MSO | Tseng: We had an intern last summer who got to implement some of the features that our customers had been asking for but we just didn't otherwise have time to do |
| zoidal_MSN | Tseng: If you're just a good coder, then you'll probably end up being a code monkey :) |
| Kawigi_MSO | Tseng: So I'd say more like a developer with a mentor |
| Tseng | Very nice. |
| Kawigi_MSO | Ragnarok: Well, there is definitely lots of projects, but the recent announcements of Windows Live and Office Live should give you some idea why MSN is hiring so much |
| zoidal_MSN | Ragnarok: I believe Kimberly_MSN said we're hiring 1500 for FY06 throughout MSN. I'm not sure how many teams that is, but it's a lot. |
| satej | NAFI-AUST: ajke ki tahole contest korso? |
| Kawigi_MSO | Ragnarok: I'm sure you can find blogs or press releases (or stuff on live.com) that would tell you more |
| vikashparida | Why do u consider only student of the computer science departm,ent for inters?? |
| rambo6376 | Kimberly_MSN: where would i find more info about positions at MSN? |
| Merlin[Kyiv] | Can you please tell a bit more about career opportunities in Ukraine? |
| zoidal_MSN | vikashparida: We don't. I know many employees at MS who don't have CS degrees, or who don't have college degrees at all. |
| vikashparida | thats good to hear |
| vikashparida | i thought i has no chance in MSN with the department i am in |
| zoidal_MSN | vikashparida: What is your department? |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladiius_MSN: what year were you in when you got your internship? |
| abi_k | zoidal_MSN: not have college degrees at all? Only the founders you mean :) |
| vikashparida | zoidal_MSN: mechanical |
| zoidal_MSN | abi_k: No, not at all. |
| hilfiger_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: i know people who intern in their freshman, or sophomore year |
| zoidal_MSN | abi_k: It's certainly a plus to have a degree, but by no means a prerequisite |
| rambo6376 | zoidal_MSN: how would i get more info in openings? |
| rambo6376 | zoidal_MSN: *on |
| vfortuna | zoidal_MSN: What's the salary of a recently hired Software Designer Engineer at Microsoft |
| RedSpikeyThing | hilfiger_MSN: sorry, I'm from canada...what year is the, numerically? |
| Kawigi_MSO | abi_k: (relatively big +) |
| gladius_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: My first internship was between second and third year |
| zoidal_MSN | rambo6376: I believe the process is that TC people will contact you to see where your interests lie and see how that matches up to our open positions. |
| abi_k | Kawigi_MSO: :) |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: I don't know if I can answer that :) |
| rambo6376 | zoidal_MSN: thanks |
| heroe | but the employment is always in US, or is is also possible to remote? |
| revtekniques | what is the work environmen tlike at MS? |
| RedSpikeyThing | gladius_MSN: cool |
| hilfiger_MSN | RedSpikeyThing: freshman = 1st, sophomore = 2nd, junior = 3rd, senior = 4 and + |
| Kawigi_MSO | revtekniques: fun :-) |
| hilfiger_MSN | revtekniques: rather casual i would say. |
| athenachu71 | gladius_MSN: are you American? |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: What I can say is that the pay is good, the benefits package excellent |
| vfortuna | zoidal_MSN: Can you give any idea about salary? |
| Kimberly_MSN | not sure what happened...got booted off the chat |
| tywok | gladius_MSN: could some freshman get an internship? |
| vfortuna | zoidal_MSN: ok |
| gladius_MSN | athenachu71: no, I am Canadian |
| zoidal_MSN | As I understand it, MS aims to pay at 66th percentile, give or take a few % of the CS industry |
| gladius_MSN | tywok: sure |
| hilfiger_MSN | gladius_MSN: you are :O |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MS0: I am 2003 Computer Sc Engg passout from Jadavpur University, India. |
| Kimberly_MSN | zoidal_MSN...the benefits are AMAZING at MSN! |
| chaitanya_reddy | can i get an internship at MSN? I am a student now |
| mindboggler | Kimberly_MSN: what chance do i have working for MSN in India |
| Kawigi_MSO | vfortuna: I was about to say what zoidal said |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MS0: I have nearly 2 years experience in IT industry |
| gladius_MSN | hilfiger_MSN: yup :) |
| revtekniques | chaitanya_reddy: aplly through http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=contracting&d2=msn |
| vikashparida | zoidal_MSN: How many hours are you expected to put in daily? |
| mindboggler | Kimberly_MSN: freshee want to work for research |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: Can you give details on your carrer fair in Ukraine for me and Merlin[Kiyv] ? |
| vfortuna | zoidal_MSN: Do you have a soccer field at Microsoft's HQ @ REdmond? |
| rambo6376 | zoidal_MSN: Does MS have any other locations besides Redmond? |
| Kimberly_MSN | mindboggler: i would apply and see what happens |
| hilfiger_MSN | vfortuna: think so |
| Kawigi_MSO | vikashparida: regular 40-hour week |
| gladius_MSN | vfortuna: yup! |
| mindboggler | Kimberly_MSN: thnx |
| gladius_MSN | vfortuna: amazing field |
| zoidal_MSN | vikashparida: It depends on whether we're shipping or not. For me, it has ranged from 30 to 50 hours per week. |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: thanks. |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: Yes, there is one |
| gladius_MSN | vfortuna: play a bunch of sports there as well. softball field. flag football |
| vikashparida | zoidal_MSN: ok |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: or maybe 2 or 3, not sure. |
| Minilek | How easy is it to get involved in doing research with MSR if you work for a product group? |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MS0: currently I am a research scholar in Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, India |
| hilfiger_MSN | yeah, 30 to 50, depends on what you are working one |
| hilfiger_MSN | on* |
| vfortuna | gladius_MSN: Great! And do you have soccer tournaments? |
| Kimberly_MSN | mindboggler: tag...i believe its in the planning process, BUT, MSN is focuing on the eastern europe areas for candidates heavily |
| revtekniques | Glad to see you could ge tin Laura |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: So, I have applied. Now I have to wait if topcoder will contact me, right? |
| hilfiger_MSN | vfortuna: we do |
| Laura_MSN | Hi everybody... I am the staffing consultant who resides in SVC (mountain view CA) |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: That I can't say - I'm not athletic at all, but I do know there are many many soccer teams |
| Kimberly_MSN | mindboggler: laura_MSN! |
| TAG | Kimberly_MSN: OK ;-) Thanks for tips |
| revtekniques | Ragnarok: yes |
| gladius_MSN | vfortuna: yup :) |
| rambo6376 | Ragnarok: where did you apply? |
| vikashparida | zoidal_MSN: are you given the chance to handle important projects? |
| hilfiger_MSN | vfortuna: i know we have indoors at the least |
| Ragnarok | rambo6376: ask revtekniques for a link |
| rambo6376 | Ragnarok: thanks |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: and I'm sure there are tournaments around, whether MS sponsored or other groups outside MS |
| revtekniques | Ragnarok: http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=contracting&d2=msn |
| zoidal_MSN | vikashparida: Absolutely |
| Ragnarok | revtekniques: ok, thak you. It's clear. :) |
| mindboggler | Laura_MSN: hey, where are u based |
| Kimberly_MSN | mindboggler: welcome lauar! |
| Ragnarok | revtekniques: *thank |
| mindboggler | Laura_MSN: welcome |
| revtekniques | Ragnarok: :) |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MS0: I want to sit for Microsoft Interview |
| vikashparida | zoidal_MSN: I mean the new recruits |
| Laura_MSN | Mountain View CALIFORNIA |
| Kawigi_MSO | Ragnarok: Pretty much. TC is basically going to try and convince MSN that they should bring you in for an interview now, and tell them that you're in the ~92nd percentile of programmers they know :-) |
| zoidal_MSN | revtekniques: My first year here, I was given ownership of a feature in the MSN Client |
| Laura_MSN | right down the road from Google and Yahoo |
| Tseng | Does MSN require drug testing? |
| chaitanya_reddy | what are the things you would look for in just-graduated students who don't have any industry experience? |
| Kimberly_MSN | I am in REDMOND, WA |
| vfortuna | zoidal_MSN: That's really great! I need soccer to survive :-D |
| zoidal_MSN | vfortuna: :) |
| hilfiger_MSN | Tseng: not that i know of :p |
| Kawigi_MSO | sandipan_dey: What do you mean? |
| zoidal_MSN | chaitanya_reddy: Strong coding skills, ability to work well in a team. |
| TAG | Tseng: Is this critical for you ? ;-) |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: I'd prefer to be in 99 percentile though :))) |
| Tseng | LoL. Call it a privacy issue. |
| Laura_MSN | we are looking for people with passion for coding, regardless of how many years of experience they have |
| Kawigi_MSO | chaitanya_reddy: Good thinking skills, good communication skills |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MSO:sorry i think u missed some of my messages |
| Kimberly_MSN | Passion for coding is something we love to see in candidates |
| hilfiger_MSN | and handsome, of course |
| Kimberly_MSN | lol |
| revtekniques | hilfiger_MSN: lol |
| zoidal_MSN | hilfiger_MSN: Or cute, as the gender may be :) |
| WishMaster | lol |
| Kimberly_MSN | he |
| Kawigi_MSO | Ragnarok: ;-) Me, too |
| revtekniques | zoidal_MSN: :) |
| mindboggler | Kimberly_MSN: me too, lot of passion |
| Kimberly_MSN | lol |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: 96 is not so bad at all ;) |
| vikashparida | Kimberly_MSN: Do you prefer complete coders or coder+manager?? |
| Kawigi_MSO | Ragnarok: ;-) |
| zoidal_MSN | Ragnarok: I'm not even rated any more... If I were, I'd be #77 or so |
| Laura_MSN | we met with 75+ MSN hiring managers this week and they want ANY / ALL Top coders to opt in and apply |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MSO: I want to sit for microsoft IDC interview |
| Kimberly_MSN | we have MANY types of openings...core tech...program managers...etc...so lots of variation depending on skills |
| Ragnarok | Kawigi_MSO: The last question.. which language is preferable? C#, Java or C++? |
| Tseng | If you have personal projects on your resume, will the hiring managers look at them? Will they look at the code? |
| Kawigi_MSO | sandipan_dey: IDC? |
| Windrider | Are y'all hiring for internship positions, for college juniors like me? |
| hilfiger_MSN | Ragnarok: no preference as a fresh hire i would say |
| zoidal_MSN | admins: Are you expecting us (*_MSN) to stick around after the contest to chat then as well? |
| jakabjack | what does the MSN acronym means? Microsoft Messenger? |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MSO:how can i know when n where it's going to take place? |
| Laura_MSN | the MSN hiring managers will review ALL of your info, not just your resume |
| mindboggler | Kimberly_MSN: how about other languages such as LISP, Lambuda Calculas etc. |
| zoidal_MSN | admins: Microsoft Network |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MSO: yah indian development centre |
| hilfiger_MSN | jakabjack: MS network |
| Ragnarok | hilfiger_MSN: ok, thank's a lot... see you all |
| gladius_MSN | Windrider: they are definitely hiring interns |
| zoidal_MSN | jakabjack: MicroSoft Network |
| Kawigi_MSO | Ragnarok: In my line of work, C++, in MSN, probably C# - but just being a good problem-solver is the important thing (languages can be learned) |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MS0:i am a bachelor of comp sc engg from jadavpur univ, india |
| Kawigi_MSO | sandipan_dey: Ah, if they want to interview you, they'll contact you with more information |
| mindboggler | Kawigi_MSO: ya sure, will take that advise |
| Kawigi_MSO | sandipan_dey: but you can start through TC and specify that you're wanting to work in India |
| danchik | gladius_MSN: how do you enter your designated room? |
| Windrider | Kawigi_MSO: Programming can be learned, but MAD SKILLZ are inherent? |
| danchik | gladius_MSN: err .. a genaral question |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MS0: Kawigi_MS0: i have 2 years exp in IT industries |
| zoidal_MSN | Windrider: Something like that :) |
| gladius_MSN | danchik: go to active contests->srm->enter |
| hilfiger_MSN | Windrider: you must mean 1337 skillz |
| Kawigi_MSO | sandipan_dey: I'm not getting red on messages from you that don't have a space after "Kawigi_MSO:" I think |
| rambo6376 | zoidal_MSN: are all these opportunities available only in Redmond? or are there any other locations in the US? |
| Windrider | hilfiger_MSN: Sorry, 'twas influenced by a track playing on my MP3 player... |
| athenachu71 | Kawigi_MSO: when are resumes processed? |
| vikashparida | Kimberly_MSN: Would you prefer a fresh graduate or someone with work ex? |
| danchik | sandipan_dey: its :56 and its still disabled |
| zoidal_MSN | rambo6376: I don't have specifics, but most likely there are positions in Silicon Valley |
| rambo6376 | zoidal_MSN: thanks |
| HiltonLange | danchik: Wait for room assignments in a minute or two. |
| Kawigi_MSO | Windrider: Yes, you provide the skiznills. |
| zoidal_MSN | rambo6376: Most of our other US locations are sales offices, but there are a few dev/test/pm positions elsewhere |
| jakabjack | and how's that MSN is not considered as part of Microsoft, so not Microsoft is hiring people but MSN.... |
| danchik | sandipan_dey: k thx |
| HiltonLange | danchik: Then you can enter when that is done. |
| chaitanya_reddy | when can i expect to hear back from you if i submit my resume now? |
| Kimberly_MSN | well, i hire experienced coders..BUT...we are looking for all skill levels |
| Windrider | How much will my total lack of experience (I *am* a college junior, after all) hurt my odds for an internship, and how can I best counter for that? |
| abhicool | best of luck everyone |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MS0: Kawigi_MS0: currently i am a research scholar at tata institute of fundamental research india |
| Kawigi_MSO | athenachu71: I don't know, ask Kimberly |
| revtekniques | if you guys are interested in applying.... http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=contracting&d2=msn |
| athenachu71 | Kimberly_MSN: do you have any idea bout when resumes will be processed? |
| Kimberly_MSN | Windrider: you may want to pursue the MS campus recruiter route |
| HiltonLange | Enogipe: Hello, and good luck... :) |
| sandipan_dey | Kawigi_MSO: can i apply for MS research lab india also? |
| zoidal_MSN | Windrider: Lack of experience doesn't make you a bad coder. |
| gdiego | ping |
| Kawigi_MSO | sandipan_dey: I'd say just apply through TC and see if you get a response :-) |
| gdiego | ping ... problems |
| Kimberly_MSN | sandipan_dey: i am aware that we have a non-solictiation agreement with Tata...so it would depend on your situation |
| hilfiger_MSN | hmm |
| hilfiger_MSN | time to code |
| mindboggler | gud bye everybody |
| Laura_MSN | I am one of Kimberly's MSN Recruiting partners... apply regardless of your years of experience and we will introduce you to our college recruiters who will assess you based on your potential |
| TAG | Thanks all ! |
| empraptor | let my people go! |
| rcotta | teste |
| Kimberly_MSN | sandipan_dey: thanks |
| Kawigi_MSO | sandipan_dey: Well, I guess not through MSN... |
| Merlin[Kyiv] | Thank you very much! Hope to hear more about career fair in Ukraine soon.... |
| revtekniques | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=contracting&d2=msn |
| revtekniques | good luck! |
| Kimberly_MSN | sandipan_dey: good luck all! |
| Cyberpunk1024 | thank you MSN people |
| esus | have fun all |
| hilfiger_MSN | Cyberpunk1024: thank you :-) |
| Laura_MSN | see you all again on 12/17 |
| Laura_MSN | and maybe before on 11/30/05 |
| revtekniques | Laura_MSN: :) |
