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| TonyJ | hi everyone. thanks for joining us |
| nicka81 | hello :) |
| Ragnarok | are you hiring Internal Developer? |
| Ragnarok | or only team lead and architect? |
| scamp | topgear: what' your background? |
| mess | Ragnarok: we are hiring architects and PMs, however we may be looking to add a contract developer soon as well |
| TonyJ | Ragnarok: what type of position interests you? |
| Ragnarok | mess: what is a "contract developer"? |
| mess | Ragnarok: we have clients that might need additional resources that we place them at, it would not be full time, an agreed upon hourly wage will be paid |
| Ragnarok | TonyJ: I'm interested in Internal Developer position, becuase that's the only position for which I fit the requirements :) |
| nicka81 | mess: what applications are you currently developing? |
| mess | nicka81: We have some internal projects going on such as enhancements to the screening tool, additionally a wide range of client projects everthing from asset repositories to scheduling applications |
| Ragnarok | mess: cool, and the "contract developer" has to move to Hartford, CT area too? or not? |
| brianewalsh | nicka81: What kind of position interests you |
| mess | Ragnarok: no it would be remote |
| TonyJ | brianewalsh: Hey Brian, what are some of the things you like most about being a PM at TopCoder? |
| Ragnarok | mess: I'm greatly interested in such a position :) |
| nicka81 | brianewalsh: both ID and architect are interesting |
| nicka81 | brianewalsh: what is a usual workday of an architect? |
| TonyJ | DataSurfer: Hello DataSurfer |
| DataSurfer | Hi |
| mess | Ragnarok: we have had several people from the ukraine fill these positions |
| brianewalsh | TangentZ: Can you describe a typical architect's day |
| mess | Ragnarok: I would definitely recommend trying some of the component competitions as well |
| TonyJ | DataSurfer: is there anything you are curious about regarding TCS jobs? |
| bchops | hello Shadowfax21 |
| Shadowfax21 | what's up |
| Ragnarok | mess: I'm trying, though I have full-time job right now so I don't have enough time for component competition. |
| ga | will tcs consider developers from india ?? |
| bchops | all kinds of things! |
| Shadowfax21 | are there any development positions open at TC |
| ga | i mean outside us |
| DataSurfer | most positions require relocation to Connecticut? |
| bchops | Shadowfax21: there are through the component competitions |
| topgear | scamp: college graduate in IT |
| bchops | Shadowfax21: and, we might be taking on a contractor sometime soon |
| mess | Ragnarok: ahh, I see alot of the contract positions we have when they open up are 40 hours a week as well |
| brianewalsh | nicka81: An architect has many different roles. Primarily they translate the business requirements into technical design. Specifically components. But they also guide the direction of the component catalog and work with clients to deploy applications |
| scamp | topgear: what positions interest you at TopCoder? |
| TonyJ | DataSurfer: no, you don't have to move to CT |
| harvey6ft | DataSurfer: The CA and PM positions don't require relocation, just travel |
| TonyJ | DataSurfer: but the positions do require travel |
| DataSurfer | oh ok |
| nicka81 | brianewalsh: and who makes the actual application integration? |
| topgear | I'm not sure ! perhaps an architect |
| mess | ga: we will consider for contracting positions and also in the future we may hire architects outside the US |
| TonyJ | DataSurfer: are you interested in doing application architecture, or project management? |
| TangentZ | A typical architect's day: check the developer forums, check the TC forums, work with assemblers, write component requirements specification docs, think up new component ideas... etc |
| topgear | I need more design competitions :) |
| brianewalsh | nicka81: when you say integration? TopCoder architect/deployment engineers work with the client to deploy the completed application to their quality assurance environment |
| TangentZ | If you are working with a PM on a client project, you get to work on application design deliverables |
| DataSurfer | I think my talents are in the area of Architecture |
| Ragnarok | mess: well, I think, any position in topcoder values much more for me, than my current job. So, half-time job from topcoder will force me to quit my current job :) |
| mess | Ragnarok: :-) |
| brianewalsh | TangentZ: Can you describe a bit more detail about working with a PM |
| FogleBird | nicka81: Integration is done by the application assemblers. The architect and PM will monitor and guide their progress. |
| mess | Ragnarok: alot of our contract positions are Java or C# |
| TonyJ | DataSurfer: we have some really exciting client work going on. We could use some good architects to join the team |
| brianewalsh | nicka81: TangentZ is also giving some details on architects |
| nicka81 | FogleBird: how many architects do you currently have? |
| nicka81 | FogleBird: how many PMs ? |
| DataSurfer | In my current job I do everything from soup to nuts on desktop apps. |
| TangentZ | Working with a PM typically starts with reading up on the business requirements that the PM has prepared |
| TonyJ | TangentZ: as an architect, how much do you typically travel? |
| FogleBird | nicka81: Someone else can provide exact numbers, but I believe we have over 20 PMs now and roughly 10 architects. |
| brianewalsh | FogleBird: 7 architects and I think 17 pms (tonyJ would know exactly) |
| Ragnarok | mess: I know but I'm ok with Java. I still use C++ as my default language, but I work with Java for more than a half of a year 40 hours a week |
| TangentZ | The next step is then have you travel to the client site and meet with the available client resources. |
| TonyJ | DataSurfer: are you interested in expanding your skill sets and broadening your experience? |
| ga | where can i have a look at contract positions available ? |
| DataSurfer | Definitely |
| TangentZ | The onsite portion typically lasts about 2-3 weeks, depending on the size of the project |
| mess | Ragnarok: sounds like you have enough java experience :-) |
| DataSurfer | I have not yet had a chance to work with UML or J2EE yet |
| TonyJ | mcards13: Mcards13, how much do you typically travel as a PM? |
| mess | ga: as long as you sign up for placement, a placement agent will keep you in mind |
| Ragnarok | mess: probably, yes :) what IDE are you using, by the way? |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: I agree, I can't see a C++ jockey having a lot of problems with Java. |
| Kawigi | Wow, lots of orange |
| TangentZ | During this time, you get the chance to ask lots of questions about the client needs, mostly from a technical point of view. |
| kittlek | ga http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=about&d2=jobs |
| mess | bchops: Why did you end up joining TopCoder? |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: some java neat things like anonymous classes or reflections really made me happy :)) |
| mess | Kawigi: I liked the new nickname for TheFaxman |
| Kawigi | mess: :-) I still think "TheSystem" is more likely to stick |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: Not having to worry about memory (for the most part) is nice too. |
| bchops | Shadowfax21: well, in graduate school (working with medical robots) i spent a lot of time working on design standards compliance |
| TangentZ | You also get the chance to discuss possible technical restrictions with the PM and the client and come to some compromise, if necessary. |
| TonyJ | DataSurfer: Feel free to email me and we can talk more. I'd like to find out more about what you are currently working on. |
| DataSurfer | TonyJ: Ok |
| mess | Kawigi: I like that one even better |
| Ragnarok | definitely:) |
| bchops | mess: our laboratory was hoping to deploy a library that met open source standards. |
| Ragnarok | definitely:) |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: hm.. some bug |
| Kawigi | mess: I came up with it when I was a writer, and I asked lars if the system was restarting something, and he said "Well, if by 'the system' you mean 'TheFaxman', then yes" |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: I couldn't reply to you..:) |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: No problem. |
| mess | Kawigi: I'll have to use that in the office |
| bchops | mess: this 'learned me religion' for structured development, and by the time i left we were basically building components |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: What position did you say you were interested in? |
| brianewalsh | TonyJ: |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: well, I'm interested in contract developer the most :) |
| brianewalsh | TonyJ: I enjoy the people at TopCoder the most. Day-to-day, I enjoy the various challenges each new client creates and translating those challenges into specifications. |
| bchops | mess: the advantages of this approach were huge. TopCoder was a chance to get involved early in prooving that. |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: How about architecture? |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: that's cool, but I know that I don't fit all the requirements for this position |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: What do you feel you're missing? |
| bchops | mess: also, the atmosphere at topcoder is more akin to a lab than punch-in-punch-out corporate work |
| brianewalsh | TonyJ: Additionally, it is fun to be working with such a unique business model for creating software. |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: for example "including participation in a TopCoder Component Design Competition." |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: That's easily remedied. |
| TonyJ | butler: hey butler, how are you doing? |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: It only takes a few weeks to do:) |
| butler | TonyJ: I am doing excellent. |
| bchops | mess: they pay is great. the people are fun. initiative was well rewarded. and so to topcoder went I! |
| TonyJ | butler: I see you are a student? |
| mcards13 | TonyJ: as a PM the travel time can vary from project to project, I would say 25% is an avg guideline from my personal experience |
| butler | TonyJ: I don't know that I am interested in becoming either an architect or a PM |
| butler | TonyJ: yes, that is correct. |
| TonyJ | butler: when do you graduate? |
| butler | TonyJ: I should graduate next summer 2007 |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: I know, but currently I don't fit that requirement and I assume that you're searching an architect right now, so you need it immediately? or not? |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: I'm sure we can wait a few weeks if you're interested. |
| topgear | scamp: I need to work my English since my second language is French. |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: I think it's a very interesting position. |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: I'm interested |
| FalconsGaze | will you sponsor work visa |
| topgear | scamp: Oui |
| TonyJ | butler: what do you think interests you more? The technical stuff or the business/client stuff? |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: Feel free to email me with any specific questions you have about it. |
| topgear | scamp: Is relocation easier |
| butler | TonyJ: I am definitely more interested in technical stuff... coding is what I enjoy. |
| harvey6ft | If you're interested, drop me a line (bflood@topcoder.com)... I'm one of the placement agents with TopCoder and I'll get back to you in the next day or so. |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: that's good, what's your e-mail, by the way? ;) |
| scamp | topgear: than what? |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: bgoggin@topcoder.com |
| TangentZ | butler: I think being an assembler would fit your interest |
| TonyJ | butler: you should get more involved in the component competitions |
| TonyJ | butler: it is great experience, especially for the architect position |
| topgear | scamp: mercie |
| butler | TonyJ: I havent had time to make a commitment to those projects yet |
| scamp | topgear: je vous en prie |
| butler | TonyJ: but I do think that I could enjoy it if I got into it |
| butler | TonyJ: I also don't want to just do it once and end up with a really poor rating on my record, I think. |
| TonyJ | mcards13: You're travel experience is pretty unique. Most PM's travel the majority of the time. But like you said, it varies from project to project |
| topgear | scamp: Relocating to the US will change my life , I hope a better life |
| scamp | topgear: whish you the best. When are you moving here? |
| butler | TonyJ: Are assemblers currently in demand as well? |
| TonyJ | butler: based on your other stats i think you'd do pretty well |
| TonyJ | butler: you have to start somewhere :) |
| butler | TonyJ: thanks for the confidence! :) |
| mcards13 | TonyJ: I agree, that has been my personal experience since I have had 2 projects relatively close to my home. However my currrent project has increased my travel |
| gentoolman | Hello! |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: hello and welcome |
| pdowning | hi |
| TonyJ | butler: we do occassionally need assemblers, but right now we aren't looking to add any. But that could always change at any time |
| topgear | scamp: I hope Topcoder will help me with this task |
| butler | brb... |
| gentoolman | Sorry for my late. |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: What kind of work interests you? |
| gentoolman | brianewalsh: development |
| FalconsGaze | admins: do you sponsor work visa |
| butler | I have been having problems with my TopCoder client on this computer... |
| gentoolman | I'm rated in development, but I'm still beginner |
| mess | FalconsGaze: Currently we do not |
| kittlek | unfortunately at this time, we do not sponsor visa |
| TonyJ | FogleBird: Hey Fogle, what do you like best about being a TopCoder PM? |
| FalconsGaze | admins: ok |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: ah, I would encourage you to keep competing and work on your design skills as well. |
| FalconsGaze | admins: next time |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: how are you enjoying the component competition? |
| topgear | scamp: I have developped my own OS , a toy OS . Is this a good point to put in my resume? |
| gentoolman | I think, time for component realisation is too short (1 week) |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: how much time would you like? |
| scamp | topgear: any good accomplishment is worth listing. |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: (ideally) |
| gentoolman | 2 weeks should be well for many components |
| TangentZ | topgear: that is very good! :) |
| FogleBird | TonyJ: Personally I enjoy working with those on my team (both TopCoder employees and the members) and seeing the project come to fruition and being successful. |
| FogleBird | TonyJ: I also enjoy seeing the TCS process at work and how well it can produce good software when executed properly. |
| scamp | topgear: you should post your resume on the topcoder site |
| gentoolman | I have some collegues, who don't participate in Comp Dev., because time is too short for them |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: do you know a lot of programmers from Ukraine? |
| gentoolman | for me, too |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: are you in school or working? |
| topgear | scamp: Thank you all , but I'm really new to J2EE |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: I understand, we will take that into consideration. |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: I've worked with three or four through TopCoder. |
| topgear | scamp: I need more self learning |
| pdowning | gentoolman: If dev is too short, try design |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: I believe isv is Ukrainian. |
| scamp | topgear: keep working on those components |
| gentoolman | I'm working |
| mess | Ragnarok: bladerunner and his brother are two good ukranians |
| mess | Ragnarok: aksonov, roma, TAG have also participated in components |
| gentoolman | And I can work with components only during weekend and evenings |
| mess | Ragnarok: there are alot of ukrainians that participate in topcoder |
| gentoolman | 1 week for design could be too short, too, but I did't try it yet. |
| bchops | topgear: when you say self-learning, do you mean the TopCoder method for design/dev, or something else? |
| topgear | scamp: Yes , sure . I think this is the best way to learn more technologies |
| DataSurfer | how much do potential employers look at Contest Submissions when considering candidates? |
| topgear | scamp: I learn something when I really need it. |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: if you are familiar with the required technologies and Poseidon, it doesn't take too long for designs. |
| Ragnarok | mess: Well, bladerunner now works for google, as far as I know :) |
| pdowning | gentoolman: I see. |
| topgear | scamp: But I'm tired from working alone |
| TonyJ | dimitare: Hi dimitare, how are you today? |
| pdowning | gentoolman: I didnt realize you were only able to work after hours on the compititions |
| scamp | topgear: what do you mean? |
| gentoolman | About time: I worked with Rule Eval. Compiler and I think, 8 days for that comp. was too short for all developers |
| topgear | scamp: I need a team :) |
| dimitare | TonyJ: good |
| dimitare | TonyJ: u? |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: It might be worth trying some design for a learning experience even if you don't complete the design |
| TonyJ | dimitare: i'm doing fine, thanks. |
| mess | Ragnarok: oh you meant that works for us, I'm sorry I misunderstood |
| dimitare | TonyJ: sorry I am new at topcoder |
| mess | Ragnarok: TAG, aksonov, Roma have all done contracting for us |
| Ragnarok | mess: Well, actually I ment works for you :) |
| TonyJ | dimitare: newcomers are always welcome |
| gentoolman | Design can be interesting, but I don't like Poseidon :( |
| dimitare | TonyJ: how can apply for amy of this position |
| dimitare | TonyJ: ? |
| topgear | scamp: An example is my OS , I was developping it alone :( |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: ah, the rule engine components may be a bit on the complex side for someone new. |
| bgoggin | gentoolman: It's a necessary evil. |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: You get used to it :) |
| gentoolman | Poseidon have big functionality, but work with them is uncomfortable. |
| kittlek | to apply for any of these positions, feel free to email me at kkittle@topcoder, as I am one of the recruiters for TCS |
| scamp | topgear: do you know a lot of other developers in Algeria? |
| TonyJ | dimitare: Are you interested in doing technical work or project management? |
| mess | gentoolman: it takes a while to get used to it |
| Ragnarok | mess: that's nice. unfortunately I don't know them too much :9 |
| Ragnarok | mess: :( |
| dimitare | TonyJ: i am more technical person |
| topgear | scamp: Yes , no one cares |
| bgoggin | gentoolman: It never gets great, but it gets better. |
| TonyJ | dimitare: are you graduating this year? |
| dimitare | TonyJ: march 2007 |
| kclune | Here are the current open positions at TopCoder: |
| kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=about&d2=jobs |
| TonyJ | dimitare: I would suggest getting involved in some component competitions |
| gentoolman | Question about design: |
| yoitsfrancis | hello good morning |
| TonyJ | dimitare: they are great experience and are a great lead into doing component based architecture |
| yoitsfrancis | its 8:30am in the Philippines |
| gentoolman | It is needed to know much about existing tc Components? |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: Speaking about Architect position: the requirements state :"Must be willing to travel. Travel will be minor, estimated at 20% - 30% of the time." What are these travels are needed for? Could you please give an example? |
| brianewalsh | yoitsfrancis: hello, what kind of work interests you? |
| mcards13 | yoitsfrancis: Its 7:30pm here :) |
| chippydip | yoitsfrancis: well, good morning to you, then :) |
| gentoolman | I see, designs used many existing components. |
| mess | yoitsfancis: good morning |
| dimitare | TonyJ: i see |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: it helps to be familiar with the catalog |
| topgear | scamp: I'm also interested in game developping , I have some experience with Direct 3D 9 . But I'm not plannig to continue in this field :) , I'm targeting J2ee and .Net |
| scamp | topgear: are you employed? |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: it definitely helps, but isn't required. You can pick them up as you go and or browse the catalog during design |
| topgear | scamp: No :) |
| gentoolman | At least one is unnececery - BaseException (in JDK1.4 Exception have the same functionality) |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: In order to do a thorough design, it's helpful to meet the clients to be sure you understand what they need. |
| topgear | scamp: I'm free |
| mess | Ragnarok: we are gradually trying to reduce travel for architects |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: It also makes it easier to explain the design to them in person. |
| mess | Ragnarok: in the future we hope not to have travel |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: Do your clients review your requirement specifications? |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: Yes, they are produced by PM's but done with much client involvement. |
| gentoolman | Thanks for that answers |
| topgear | scamp: Is Topcoder interested in SMS servers ? |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: How are you doing Johan |
| brianewalsh | gentoolman: anytime, are there any other questions we can answer for you? |
| DataSurfer | TonyJ: Ok |
| DataSurfer | how much do potential employers look at Contest Submissions when considering candidates? |
| gentoolman | I thinking... :) |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: The client sees and approves all deliverables. This openness is one of the best things about the process. However, I'm sure the PM could present designs too. Are you interested in travel? |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: Oh, and clients also review design documents? :) |
| harvey6ft | DataSurfer: it depends on the client and what they're looking for |
| scamp | topgear: we have lots of different projects, with different technologies. I don't know that we have any SMS projects right now, but we could in the future. |
| topgear | scamp: A corporation might use an SMS server to send notifications to its clients. |
| harvey6ft | DataSurfer: but many of our clients weight the Algo. scores heavily |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: the more you participate in the component competitions, the more you will pick up on the existing components. It is a long-term investment. |
| mess | DataSurfer: for the architect position we definitely require at least one design competitions |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: about the travels, it doesn't matter a lot for me.. though.. 30% of travels is too much for me, probably :) |
| DataSurfer | ok I will have to get in on that then |
| topgear | scamp: A java or C# front ends for an SMS server is a good idea ! |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: Well, I think that would work for the architect position. |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: You'd work with a Project Manager that could do a lot of the remote work. |
| gentoolman | thanks. About payments: I think, it is problem with got prize. |
| TangentZ | Ragnarok: the travels come in "bursts"... they are not continuous. |
| Ragnarok | TangentZ: ah, that's better, "bursts" are more likely for me :) |
| kittlek | h |
| gentoolman | Mayby the way for got money should be simpler? |
| kittlek | Hitiek: hi there |
| TangentZ | topgear: are you experienced in J2ME? |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: Hi mess, I'm okay |
| gentoolman | Without tax forms and papers from Ambassay? |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: I see.. :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: how's school? |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: school is okay too :) |
| Hitiek | kittlek: hello |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: good to hear, are you enjoying TopCoder? |
| gentoolman | ...could be simpler? (I want to write) |
| TangentZ | Ragnarok: it is more like 2-3 weeks of travel, then 2-3 months working at home remotely... and the cycle repeats itself. |
| TonyJ | cmparish: What are some differenced about being a PM at TopCoder compared to a traditional software company? |
| topgear | scamp: No , but if needed I can learn it. |
| mess | gentoolman: yes it is a pain the first time but once set up you can get bank transfers which is easier |
| kittlek | Hitiek: always good to "run" into somebody i know |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: yes, I only did two contests sofar, but I really like it; I even stay up til 6 in the morning to compete :) |
| Ragnarok | TangentZ: that is definitely ok for me |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: :-) There are alot of good competitors from the Netherlands |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: have you looked at the component competitions at all yet? |
| topgear | scamp: It is only a matter of time |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: I strongly encourage you to give it a try. You have a lot of OO experience. |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: I haven't seen much of the things besides the algorithmcontests yet |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: thank you for encouranging.. so, what shall I do? take part in component competition, then.. ? contact you? or apply my resume? |
| gentoolman | Ok. I didn't won any cash, so I don't have problem so far :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: you should definitely check out the design and development contests, they are different but build real world skills and you can earn money :-) |
| gentoolman | But I read the rules and I think, it is problem with got money 1st time. |
| TangentZ | topgear: I just thought you might be because your mentioned SMS. :) |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: Yes, you should participate and then contact me or one of the placement specialists. |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: I did take a look at the multithreading-competition; I like the way topcoder motivates people to learn new stuff |
| mess | gentoolman: we definitely pay people in poland without problems |
| kittlek | Ragnarok: you can email me at kkittle@topcoder.com |
| harvey6ft | Drop me a line at bflood@topcoder.com , I'm one of the TC recruiters |
| gentoolman | It is good info :) |
| cmparish | TonyJ: one of the biggest differences is how can affectively utilize a global resource base. We can literally have developers from all over the world working on a single project. |
| Ragnarok | bgoggin: ok, thank you very much for the answers.. :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: yes there are a lot of ways to learn and improve and we try to make it fun :-) |
| kittlek | Ragnarok: or brian! :) |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: It was a pleasure. |
| Ragnarok | kittlek: thanks, I'll remember your e-mail. Who's Brian? (And where is Brenda ;) ) |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: the design and component development... does that involve lots of paperwork, or mostly smart thinking? (I like puzzles) |
| gentoolman | In subject of tests: Last review show me, that I still have problems with writing and comenting tests. |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: design has a lot of documentation but you have to think what is the best way to solve a business problem using code, you design all the UML and class diagrams |
| kittlek | Ragnarok: brian is a fellow recruiter...not sure who brenda is :) |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: harvey6ft is Brian Flood. |
| mess | gentoolman: always room for improvement with everyone :-) |
| Ragnarok | kittlek: ooh.. sorry, I thought you were talking about brianewalsh .. and I recalled Beverly Hills :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: development you have to come up with the best way to code someone else's design, so you can factor in performance, etc |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: I think those are the kind of valuable feedbacks that are hard to get elsewhere. |
| gentoolman | How do you think, how many components should I create for learn, how to write good tests? |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: ah okay |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: you can also download a component and look at scorecards to see what people have done in the past |
| kittlek | Ragnarok: sounds like a good story! :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: to help get started |
| topgear | scamp: I'm curious about wages in Topcoder :) |
| Ragnarok | kittlek: :)) |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: that sounds like a good idea |
| mess | gentoolman: i would recommend downloading some winning components and try to learn by example as well |
| scamp | topgear: Topcoder pays well. you should talk to one of our recruiters. |
| DataSurfer | Thanks for setting up this chat session |
| gentoolman | Good idea. But most of downloaded component don't have tests in distribution :( |
| DataSurfer | See you guys around. |
| gentoolman | Another problem (with RUle Engine) |
| kittlek | Ragnarok: you know the TCO is in Vegas? |
| mess | gentoolman: you can get a free subscription at http://software.topcoder.com/ |
| topgear | scamp: I hope so after two or three months |
| Ragnarok | kittlek: Yes, of course. I'm registered for it. |
| gentoolman | I'm subscribed, ok :) |
| mess | gentoolman: then you can download all completed components and they have test cases |
| harvey6ft | if anyone would like to talk in more detail about TC Software jobs please contact Brian Flood at bflood@topcoder.com |
| gentoolman | Rule Engine was divided into 3 components |
| kittlek | Ragnarok: good! hope to see you there |
| mess | gentoolman: yes |
| gentoolman | Ok. I will do that. |
| scamp | topgear: hope to hear from you soon then. |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: I was wondering about the intel competitions: Is intel interested in the resulting code and ideas, or in motivating people to go multithreaded |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: I suggest trying with the simpler components first, those with few or no dependencies. |
| gentoolman | And there was some lacks in Compiler, which I worked on. |
| topgear | scamp: :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: also, don't forget about the TopCoder Collegiate Challenge we'll have big prize money for design, development and algorithms you'll qualify for all three |
| gentoolman | In other words: some of functionality of Evaluator was needed |
| gentoolman | I took some classes from Eval |
| yoitsfrancis | hi admins, thanks for your time and having this kind of opportunity =) |
| harvey6ft | Thanks everyone for stopping by! |
| topgear | scamp: thank you sc |
| chippydip | gentoolman: it sounds like you have lots of good component design ideas... you should really try a few competitions |
| kittlek | Ragnarok: Thanks everybody, have a good evening or morning, wherever you are! |
| topgear | scamp: thank you scamp for your help |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: just motivation |
| gentoolman | And, in result, many tests of reviewers didn't compile, because reviewers worked on the wron g version of that interfaces/classes. |
| scamp | topgear: mon plaisir |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: okay, I will look it up on the website |
| mess | gentoolman: that is not typical, also I will talk to ivern about it tomorrow |
| TonyJ | cmparish: if anybody has more questions or want to talk in more detail feel free to contact us. My email is tjefts@topcoder.com |
| topgear | scamp: I will mail you some questions . a plus :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: the TCCC competition also comes with a free trip to where ever it is being held :-) |
| scamp | topgear: a bientot |
| gentoolman | mess: Thank you. |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: I like trips ;) |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: You should have tried the Document Indexer. It is relatively straightforward and great for beginners. :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: they are always fun |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: :) |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: It is always fun to meet other TopCoders |
| Kawigi | **Kawigi increases the number of non-admins by 14% |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: I have met a few people from the netherlands there such as Jan_Kuipers and krijgertje |
| gentoolman | That's right, I have to search for simpler component. |
| gentoolman | But I (and many developers) not always have time. |
| mess | gentoolman: also please make full use of all the forums and round tables they are great resources |
| Ragnarok | goodbye everyone and thank you. |
| Ragnarok | good luck :) |
| gentoolman | I had time, when only hard components were posted :( |
| mess | Ragnarok: good by and good luck in the tco |
| chippydip | Ragnarok: goodbye |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: I know them both, but I think they don't know me; or maybe Jan Kuipers knows my name from the contests in highschool |
| gentoolman | What are round tables? |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: Thanks Ragnar |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: nice guys |
| bgoggin | Ragnarok: Thanks Ragnarok |
| TangentZ | gentoolman: http://forums.topcoder.com/?module=Main |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: yeah :) |
| mess | gentoolman: sorry they are now called forums, I'm used to calling them round tables an older name for them |
| mess | Johan.de.Ruiter: you'll have to follow in their footsteps and become red ;-) |
| Johan.de.Ruiter | mess: :D trying to :p |
| gentoolman | ok :) |
| gentoolman | mess: Thanks |
| mess | Take care everyone, have a good night |
| gentoolman | Thank you and vice versa. |
| TonyJ | have a good night everyone |
